tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2620538724364147334.post5819612087205421238..comments2023-09-04T09:15:05.112-04:00Comments on Blame It On The Dice: Don't buy from Warlord Games...EverCaulynDarrhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14556761303500891267noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2620538724364147334.post-65781568015337052172018-08-08T16:27:02.138-04:002018-08-08T16:27:02.138-04:00Swastikas were around long before the Nazis used t...Swastikas were around long before the Nazis used them, so those in the know will not get worked up about them. For those who hate swastikas because other people have told them to, time to get out and find out more about life for yourself.Veni Vidi Vicihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18444234905441573466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2620538724364147334.post-33329711207619096902017-03-08T10:47:49.386-05:002017-03-08T10:47:49.386-05:00Before the Nazis adopted it, the swastika was a sy...Before the Nazis adopted it, the swastika was a symbol used by many ancient societies, for peaceful purposes, or, as a symbol of supernatural power. The supernatural aspect is what the Nazis liked best about it. They believed they were destined to rule the world, and they believed the swastika symbolized that destiny. Gamers play wargames, because they are a way to compete in a bloodless way, on imaginary battlefields. In order to have conflicts, at least one side has to be the "bad guys". Unless the player who chooses to play the "bad guys", has psychological problems, they still play for fun. Even "historical" wargames, are fantasy, played with toy soldiers. As in all fantasy games, both sides symbols are as real as the imagination of those that play with them. If you imagine those symbols represent true evil, you are giving them power they should never have. If you treat them as the impotent symbols they have become, or should be,they will have no real power to generate fear, or hate. It's another example of how Free Will should work. I choose to live without unreasoning, superstitious, fear, as much as possible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2620538724364147334.post-82142769494749319832015-06-24T10:38:45.334-04:002015-06-24T10:38:45.334-04:00Look up the history of the US 45th Infantry Divisi...Look up the history of the US 45th Infantry Division. Before their Thunderbird they had a swastika as their banner symbol.<br />They changed it to the bird because of the Nazis. <br />But yes, the swastika definitely predates any Nazi thought.<br /><br />So if you frown upon the players using the Swastika for historical wargaming, what about all the Confederate players that play the American Civil war?...<br />Maldrachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11588268193945578600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2620538724364147334.post-17255903867717499432014-08-10T17:30:37.049-04:002014-08-10T17:30:37.049-04:00"When we choose to brandish these symbols for..."When we choose to brandish these symbols for trivial reasons we give cover to some truly despicable individuals". <br />Sometimes what happens when you trivilise something powerful, you remove all fear about it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2620538724364147334.post-87010787309436103342013-08-08T18:43:52.148-04:002013-08-08T18:43:52.148-04:00It's only a hate symbol in the WWII context. H...It's only a hate symbol in the WWII context. Hitler took the swastika (unknown previously in Europe) from India and flipped it. But the symbol itself (flipped the other way) is common as a symbol of peace in India, Japan, and even amongst Native Americans.<br /><br />By the same token, the Christian cross would not have been a symbol of peace and salvation to anyone in the Roman Republic or its territories. It only acquired that meaning much later.<br /><br />So the moral of the story is... Know your context. Know your audience/peers. Don't poop in people's yards if they're not OK with it.SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2620538724364147334.post-62040636125168655262013-08-08T18:35:24.922-04:002013-08-08T18:35:24.922-04:00It really just depends on the person and their loc...It really just depends on the person and their local gaming community/country/culture. <br /><br />I know the ancient history of the Swastika, and the alternate meanings for it in places like Japan, where it's commonplace on Temples. But is that something that I want to bring into my local gaming group? Is it worth offending even 1 in 10 of the people I might want to play with? Not in America. <br /><br />Elsewhere it would be different. Nobody in China would care about a Swastika one bit. But start rolling dice with Japanese army symbols and you might find yourself in a heap of social trouble.SandWyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265244938930651317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2620538724364147334.post-20926736173487824562013-08-07T18:58:12.511-04:002013-08-07T18:58:12.511-04:00And mostly I shrug stuff like this off, but Warlor...And mostly I shrug stuff like this off, but Warlord weak ass excuse is what got me angry, It's a pretty pitiful excuse to profit off of some pretty objectionable symbolism. <br /><br />Of course I'm lucky enough to shrug stuff like this off. There are people who aren't so lucky.CaulynDarrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14556761303500891267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2620538724364147334.post-31118852948203309902013-08-07T18:50:04.724-04:002013-08-07T18:50:04.724-04:00The difference is that the US and Britain have som...The difference is that the US and Britain have some pretty good redeeming qualities. Bad things have been done in the name of those flags, but it is by far not the core values behind them. Though I would have the same argument against a Confederate flag. <br /><br />I don't have to learn to live with hate symbols. It's my right to counter with as much of my own speech as possible. To make the arguments that buying, selling, and displaying things like this for trivial reasons is unacceptable. If I'm allowed to get pissed of about dumb game stuff, I'm sure as hell allowed to get pissed of by something of actual merit. CaulynDarrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14556761303500891267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2620538724364147334.post-38564608748950108462013-08-07T18:21:07.041-04:002013-08-07T18:21:07.041-04:00And the US and British flags never stood for Slave...And the US and British flags never stood for Slavery/racism/ or mass genocides.... oh wait. I guess we should not allow any of those flags either.<br />I think you need to get down off of that soapbox on top of that high horse on this one. People are going to sell what people are going to buy. The sooner you learn to live with this, the better.TheGraveMindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02202256201375802641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2620538724364147334.post-54472073894696007572013-08-06T21:24:01.233-04:002013-08-06T21:24:01.233-04:00And my response to that is, yes, you probably shou...And my response to that is, yes, you probably shouldn't be running around with either of those symbols plastered to your stuff. This bad thing is OK because other things are also bad is not a valid argument.<br /><br />Wanting to match tour gaming regalia is a pretty poor reason when you compare our fun little hobby to the historical context we extract it from. This stuff has meaning. There are still people in this country and others who use this symbology for its original purpose. When we choose to brandish these symbols for trivial reasons we give cover to some truly despicable individuals.<br /><br />While the 1st Amedment gives us the right to display whatever symbols you wanted to, why these over some symbols that actually have some positive meaning? Or at least something benign? CaulynDarrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14556761303500891267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2620538724364147334.post-15991308958803606062013-08-06T20:04:54.244-04:002013-08-06T20:04:54.244-04:00Honestly I don't see why people shouldn't ...Honestly I don't see why people shouldn't be able to use the dice/bags that they want. yes what the Germans did was terrible but as was said Stalin did worse and forget about Mao who's tally is ~4x as many people. would you feel the same if someone had hammer and sickle or communist star dice? Guess the point I was going for is some people just want to match their gaming supplements to their armies. Two Ton Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14349133907478180772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2620538724364147334.post-32466747117737824762013-08-06T14:29:57.499-04:002013-08-06T14:29:57.499-04:00I always wondered about the guys who get all pumpe...I always wondered about the guys who get all pumped about their SS armies in FoW.<br /><br />admittedly, if I played Germans, I'd probably play Heer or Luftwaffe (because playing creepy uncle Herman's private army is DIFFERENT). I might play some of the volunteer SS divisions, since there were people conscripted into the SS (join or die) The Estonians come to mind.<br /><br />I suppose the difficult dividing line is where do you recreate history, and when do you begin romanticizing the evils.<br /><br />The same query could be applied to Joseph Stalin. In World of Tanks, you couldn't put Stalin propaganda on your Soviet tanks until recently. He's still a pretty sensitive topic.<br /><br />I would prefer my German dice to either have an Iron Cross, or the simple Black cross superimposed on a white cross (like the Heer Tanks) <br />or you know, just plain Grey dice with black pipsFarmpunkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09622091234212120598noreply@blogger.com